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Kanji for June 9, 2005 - First Person Pronoun Series #4 [Jun. 9th, 2005|09:53 am]
Kanji of the Day

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ガ われ わ

GA; ware; wa

I; ego



Some examples:
我々 = wareware - we (nation/group/etc.)
我慢 = gaman - patience, perseverence
我意 = gai - self-will, obstinacy
我家 = wagaya - my/our home (family)
我社 = wagasha - my/our firm (company)

Not to be confused with:
= SEI; na(ru) - become
= BU; MU - martial


Ware is a very old-fashioned way of saying 'I' that is still used today under certain contexts. It's not something that you'd use as your everyday pronoun, but rather, something that certain occasions call for. Exactly when to use it is hard to explain; suffice it to say that it's easier to pick up from context, and something that students of Japanese likely won't have to worry about using themselves.

One of the most recognizable uses is in the form wareware, listed above for 'we.' This is used in the sense of sentences like, "We (the people of this country) must stand against terrorism" and such. You couldn't use a simple 'we' like watashi-tachi in this sense, because that refers to a more immediate, exclusive use of 'we' like we'd say in English. If you were having a discussion about politics over dinner, and used watashi-tachi in the sentence above, you'd be saying, "We (folks here) must stand against terrorism."

If you know much about modern Japanese literature, you may have heard of Natsume Soseki's 「我輩は猫である」 Wagahai wa neko de aru ("I am a Cat"). The wagahai here is an archaic use of first-persoun pronoun that carries a bit of an arrogant nuance to it (in some translations, the title is translated as "We are a Cat," immitating the Royal We).
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[User Picture]From: ferricide
2005-06-09 07:36 pm (UTC)
i just thought i'd add something:

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我々 = wareware - we (nation/group/etc.)

it's worth pointing out for those who don't know that the second kanji there means "repeat the last kanji". btw, i've never noticed that used in chinese... but i know next to nothing about chinese.
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[User Picture]From: taren_
2005-06-09 11:56 pm (UTC)
The second character there is sometimes called "noma" because of its similarity to katakana no+ma. However, according to my Japanese teacher, he had never heard of it called that before, and he's lived in Hawaii and Japan most of his life.

I don't believe Chinese has a noma, because I've seen instances where they've used the same kanji twice in a row. My money is that the Japanese version (noma) is a simplification of some horrendous character imported from Chinese.
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[User Picture]From: rikoshi
2005-06-10 12:20 am (UTC)
I've been trying to figure out what the official name for that symbol is. The only thing I've seen it called is 'kurikaeshi' (repeat).
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[User Picture]From: taren_
2005-06-09 11:53 pm (UTC)
I've seen a LOT of kanji use that right-hand radical such as 戦 or 載; is that second line from the top one HUGE line drawn across or just two separate lines for the left and right radicals?
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[User Picture]From: rikoshi
2005-06-10 12:22 am (UTC)
For 載, that is indeed one long line, but it's still based on the same radical. The character itself, 戈 hoko, refers to some kind of old Chinese halberd-like weapon (which explains why it's in characters like 戦).
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[User Picture]From: brownkuma
2005-06-10 05:29 am (UTC)
Well, actually the radical of 載 is 車, that can explain why it means "carry" or "load". And the kanji for halberd is 戟, also compound of 戈.
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[User Picture]From: brownkuma
2005-06-10 05:14 am (UTC)
The funny point is, in mordern mandarin the word 我 becomes the primary first person pronoun in stread of 俺, and 私 is no longer a first person pronoun, only its meaning of "private" is kept down.
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[User Picture]From: brownkuma
2005-06-10 05:24 am (UTC)
Another funny word:
怪我
In Japanese, it means "wound", but in chinese, it means "blame me" ;3
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